Comments on: PROJECT PROPOSALS http://gov2.net.au/consultation/2009/08/18/project-proposals/ Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:54:58 +1100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Megan Douglas http://gov2.net.au/consultation/2009/08/18/project-proposals/#comment-340 Megan Douglas Thu, 24 Sep 2009 03:43:25 +0000 http://gov2.net.au/consultation/?p=1122#comment-340 We use GovDex to support several Committees including a Community Committee which is geographically remote and dispersed. We would certainly support a review of Govdex to improve its interoperability with systems such as TRIM (we can't post documents on Govdex direct from TRIM) and also its collaborative tools for our Govdex communities We use GovDex to support several Committees including a Community Committee which is geographically remote and dispersed. We would certainly support a review of Govdex to improve its interoperability with systems such as TRIM (we can’t post documents on Govdex direct from TRIM) and also its collaborative tools for our Govdex communities

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By: Nigel Carruthers-Taylor http://gov2.net.au/consultation/2009/08/18/project-proposals/#comment-333 Nigel Carruthers-Taylor Wed, 09 Sep 2009 02:28:46 +0000 http://gov2.net.au/consultation/?p=1122#comment-333 Government should investigate how Web 2.0 recordkeeping is managed and controlled as an inherent part of the solutions provided. Staff and public should not have to think about the need to capture and manage records in this environment, it should just happen. This ensures transparency and accountability. My company, iCognition, has recently worked with several Government agencies where a progressive approach is being taken – all documents, data, forums, topics and discussion threads are being captured as records automatically behind the scenes. This leaves staff free to undertake the activities required and not be concerned about whether or when records are being captured. Arguments that this type of information is of ephemeral value and should be managed outside the record system are not valid. All information created and stored by a Government organisation belongs to the organisation and needs to be managed as records. Not only does this ensure accountability and transparency, if it’s not done this way organisations can expect significant cost in management and discovery, as well as embarrassment when auditors need to spend substantial effort examining and/or searching multiple information repositories. iCognition has been working closely with a number of government agencies on this issue and would be pleased to chat further about the approach being taken. Government should investigate how Web 2.0 recordkeeping is managed and controlled as an inherent part of the solutions provided. Staff and public should not have to think about the need to capture and manage records in this environment, it should just happen. This ensures transparency and accountability.

My company, iCognition, has recently worked with several Government agencies where a progressive approach is being taken – all documents, data, forums, topics and discussion threads are being captured as records automatically behind the scenes. This leaves staff free to undertake the activities required and not be concerned about whether or when records are being captured.

Arguments that this type of information is of ephemeral value and should be managed outside the record system are not valid. All information created and stored by a Government organisation belongs to the organisation and needs to be managed as records. Not only does this ensure accountability and transparency, if it’s not done this way organisations can expect significant cost in management and discovery, as well as embarrassment when auditors need to spend substantial effort examining and/or searching multiple information repositories.

iCognition has been working closely with a number of government agencies on this issue and would be pleased to chat further about the approach being taken.

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By: Fiona Cameron http://gov2.net.au/consultation/2009/08/18/project-proposals/#comment-331 Fiona Cameron Sat, 05 Sep 2009 05:37:26 +0000 http://gov2.net.au/consultation/?p=1122#comment-331 Jimi, I accept that I may not have hit on the best mechanism to lower the barriers to the public sector conducting community engagement using a Gov2.0 approach, but I'd appreciate your constructive suggestions (or others) on how to solve the problem - how to lower the barriers for Government agencies to Gov2.0 engagement - In NSW, even if I get over the cultural hurdles, I have no funding for conducting consultation (whether of the traditional or online variety), and I haven't seen free software that is up to the task. Jimi, I accept that I may not have hit on the best mechanism to lower the barriers to the public sector conducting community engagement using a Gov2.0 approach, but I’d appreciate your constructive suggestions (or others) on how to solve the problem – how to lower the barriers for Government agencies to Gov2.0 engagement – In NSW, even if I get over the cultural hurdles, I have no funding for conducting consultation (whether of the traditional or online variety), and I haven’t seen free software that is up to the task.

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By: Renato Iannella http://gov2.net.au/consultation/2009/08/18/project-proposals/#comment-324 Renato Iannella Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:05:44 +0000 http://gov2.net.au/consultation/?p=1122#comment-324 There is no project here about the "citizen" ! Web 2.0 is about better outreach to the consumer. (Most of these projects are all inward focussed...) A new project on gathering and analysing citizen input to Govt data/info/services would enable better "eDemocracy".... There is no project here about the “citizen” !
Web 2.0 is about better outreach to the consumer. (Most of these projects are all inward focussed…)
A new project on gathering and analysing citizen input to Govt data/info/services would enable better “eDemocracy”….

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By: Renato Iannella http://gov2.net.au/consultation/2009/08/18/project-proposals/#comment-323 Renato Iannella Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:02:35 +0000 http://gov2.net.au/consultation/?p=1122#comment-323 Don't just focus in IP, but on a Policy-Framework that covers Permissions and Privacy - supported by Web 2.0 technologies. A better project would be to define the general Policy expression language, and the Profile of terms applicable to Govt information and services. Don’t just focus in IP, but on a Policy-Framework that covers Permissions and Privacy – supported by Web 2.0 technologies. A better project would be to define the general Policy expression language, and the Profile of terms applicable to Govt information and services.

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By: The Sound of Music http://gov2.net.au/consultation/2009/08/18/project-proposals/#comment-319 The Sound of Music Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:28:08 +0000 http://gov2.net.au/consultation/?p=1122#comment-319 Dear Miriam, the Cambridge Report (2008) was a brilliant theoretical work but did not take into account that the proposed solution might conflict with the legislative framework in Europe, even in the UK. Eventually Australia has adopted a similar legislation which I am not aware off. PRICING and FUNDING are two sides of a coin. As long as public data holders face a standstill or even decrease of public funding, it is waste of time to propose to a certain category of public data holders (!) the marginal cost model. - The adoption of the US-model failed in Europe since most European Governments fund public services in a different way. - Different funding model, different pricing (at least of re-users). Furthermore, marginal costs or even free data show a wide range of price elasticity: under certain conditions (which we are better aware before 10 years of research) the demand of the PSI re-user may soar (A) and in other cases free public data heavily damaged the local publishing industry (B). I met only one excellent British professor who understood the complexity of these PRICING issues. By the way his book is the only one I can recommend in that regard. For details please refer to my comprehensive feedback sent to your Taskforce on August 26. After 12 years research on PSI re-use, FOI and eGovernment related issues I am still in the infancy to formulate the adequate questions for proper research. Its not the time for a quick fix. - But you could draw upon the bad lessons from Europe - in terms of methodology, market research, target marketing, benchmarks and forecasts which never became reality as some consultants believed to take place. Dear Miriam,

the Cambridge Report (2008) was a brilliant theoretical work but did not take into account that the proposed solution might conflict with the legislative framework in Europe, even in the UK. Eventually Australia has adopted a similar legislation which I am not aware off.

PRICING and FUNDING are two sides of a coin. As long as public data holders face a standstill or even decrease of public funding, it is waste of time to propose to a certain category of public data holders (!) the marginal cost model. – The adoption of the US-model failed in Europe since most European Governments fund public services in a different way. – Different funding model, different pricing (at least of re-users).

Furthermore, marginal costs or even free data show a wide range of price elasticity: under certain conditions (which we are better aware before 10 years of research) the demand of the PSI re-user may soar (A) and in other cases free public data heavily damaged the local publishing industry (B).

I met only one excellent British professor who understood the complexity of these PRICING issues. By the way his book is the only one I can recommend in that regard.

For details please refer to my comprehensive feedback sent to your Taskforce on August 26. After 12 years research on PSI re-use, FOI and eGovernment related issues I am still in the infancy to formulate the adequate questions for proper research. Its not the time for a quick fix. – But you could draw upon the bad lessons from Europe – in terms of methodology, market research, target marketing, benchmarks and forecasts which never became reality as some consultants believed to take place.

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By: The Sound of Music http://gov2.net.au/consultation/2009/08/18/project-proposals/#comment-318 The Sound of Music Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:13:56 +0000 http://gov2.net.au/consultation/?p=1122#comment-318 Dear Miriam, the Cambridge Report (2008) was a brilliant theoretical work but did not take into account that their proposed solution might conflict with the legislative framework in Europe, maybe even in the UK. Eventually Australia has adopted a similar legal framework. PRICING and FUNDING are two sides of a coin. As long as public data holders face a standstill or even decrease of public funding, it is waste of time to propose to a certain category of public dataholders (!) the marginal cost model. - The adoption of the US-model failed in Europe since most European Governments fund public services in a different way. - Different funding model, different pricing (at least of re-users). Furthermore, marginal costs or even free data show a wide range of price elasticity: under certain conditions (which we are better aware before 10 years of research) the demand of the PSI re-user may soar (A) and in other cases free public data heavily damaged the local publishing industry (B). I met only one excellent British professor who understood the complexity of these PRICING issues. By the way his book is the only one I can recommend in that regard. For details please refer to my comprehensive feedback sent to your Taskforce on August 26. After 12 years research on PSI re-use, FOI and eGovernment related issues I am still in the infancy to formulate the adaequate questions for proper research. Its not the time for a quick fix. - But you could draw upon the bad lessons from Europe - in terms of methodology, market research, target marketing, benchmarks and forecasts which never became reality as some consultants believed to take place. Dear Miriam,

the Cambridge Report (2008) was a brilliant theoretical work but did not take into account that their proposed solution might conflict with the legislative framework in Europe, maybe even in the UK. Eventually Australia has adopted a similar legal framework.

PRICING and FUNDING are two sides of a coin. As long as public data holders face a standstill or even decrease of public funding, it is waste of time to propose to a certain category of public dataholders (!) the marginal cost model. – The adoption of the US-model failed in Europe since most European Governments fund public services in a different way. – Different funding model, different pricing (at least of re-users).

Furthermore, marginal costs or even free data show a wide range of price elasticity: under certain conditions (which we are better aware before 10 years of research) the demand of the PSI re-user may soar (A) and in other cases free public data heavily damaged the local publishing industry (B).

I met only one excellent British professor who understood the complexity of these PRICING issues. By the way his book is the only one I can recommend in that regard.

For details please refer to my comprehensive feedback sent to your Taskforce on August 26. After 12 years research on PSI re-use, FOI and eGovernment related issues I am still in the infancy to formulate the adaequate questions for proper research. Its not the time for a quick fix. – But you could draw upon the bad lessons from Europe – in terms of methodology, market research, target marketing, benchmarks and forecasts which never became reality as some consultants believed to take place.

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By: Miriam Lyons http://gov2.net.au/consultation/2009/08/18/project-proposals/#comment-224 Miriam Lyons Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:07:08 +0000 http://gov2.net.au/consultation/?p=1122#comment-224 Idea for pilot project: 'open-sourcing policy research' Part 1. A crowdsourced inventory of publicly available government data at the national level Part 2. Rating of each data source against the <a href="http://wiki.opengovdata.org/index.php?title=OpenDataPrinciples" rel="nofollow">principles of open access</a> Part 3. Use case studies to explore the options for combining open-access publishing of government information with an open & transparent research process (including at least some crowdsourcing) to demostrate the potential of gov2.0 to shorten the feedback loop between policy implementation and evaluation. Idea for pilot project: ‘open-sourcing policy research’

Part 1. A crowdsourced inventory of publicly available government data at the national level
Part 2. Rating of each data source against the principles of open access
Part 3. Use case studies to explore the options for combining open-access publishing of government information with an open & transparent research process (including at least some crowdsourcing) to demostrate the potential of gov2.0 to shorten the feedback loop between policy implementation and evaluation.

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By: Miriam Lyons http://gov2.net.au/consultation/2009/08/18/project-proposals/#comment-223 Miriam Lyons Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:59:44 +0000 http://gov2.net.au/consultation/?p=1122#comment-223 As per James Dellow's comment <a href="http://gov2.net.au/consultation/2009/08/18/project-proposals/#1" rel="nofollow">above</a>, some small proof of concept projects are also extremely important in demonstrating the value of PSI - there's always a danger that we further open up access to PSI but only those who were used to getting hold of it when it was closed are in the habit of transforming that data in publicly relevant ways. For example <a href="http://cpd.org.au" rel="nofollow">my organisation</a> is currently looking at doing a data visualisation project on the 2010 budget with the people behind http://taxcheck.com.au - I think small projects like this are great at demonstrating the value of PSI to a wider constituency. As per James Dellow’s comment above, some small proof of concept projects are also extremely important in demonstrating the value of PSI – there’s always a danger that we further open up access to PSI but only those who were used to getting hold of it when it was closed are in the habit of transforming that data in publicly relevant ways. For example my organisation is currently looking at doing a data visualisation project on the 2010 budget with the people behind http://taxcheck.com.au – I think small projects like this are great at demonstrating the value of PSI to a wider constituency.

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By: Sally Rose http://gov2.net.au/consultation/2009/08/18/project-proposals/#comment-222 Sally Rose Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:51:01 +0000 http://gov2.net.au/consultation/?p=1122#comment-222 Review of Public Consultation to better incorporate web 2.0 tools for efficiency. Getting into Gov2.0 shouldn't neccessarily be an added expense. Most departments and agencies are already spending considerable resources on old worls public consultation procedures which are increasingly innefficient. All public consultations should be encouraged to do a cost benefit analysis of incorporating web 2.0 into their existing budgets and plans. The Productivity Commission and Law Reform Commissions are ideally positioned to benefit and save money. Review of Public Consultation to better incorporate web 2.0 tools for efficiency.

Getting into Gov2.0 shouldn’t neccessarily be an added expense. Most departments and agencies are already spending considerable resources on old worls public consultation procedures which are increasingly innefficient. All public consultations should be encouraged to do a cost benefit analysis of incorporating web 2.0 into their existing budgets and plans. The Productivity Commission and Law Reform Commissions are ideally positioned to benefit and save money.

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