Comments on: Posting proposed projects for public pontification http://gov2.net.au/blog/2009/08/18/posting-proposed-projects-for-public-pontification/ Design by Ben Crothers of Catch Media Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:51:50 +1000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: simonfj http://gov2.net.au/blog/2009/08/18/posting-proposed-projects-for-public-pontification/comment-page-1/#comment-936 simonfj Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:42:19 +0000 http://gov2.net.au/?p=586#comment-936 Hi Guys, I won't bother to make the usual criticisms. Youse dun good. I would think that sometime next week, after the submissions are in & the <em>public sphere</em> day is over, you might be able to draw breath and see how you've compressed three years into one month, and drawn some pollen filled bees to this hive. Just wish you'd left the projects <a href="http://gov2.net.au/consultation/2009/08/18/project-proposals/" rel="nofollow">comment press</a> open, so we could get into the pepetual beta mode. Maybe do another cut? It usually takes about three reiterations (one/month) to get a community into the groove. Please just keep in mind that what you have in mind to do is good; consulting with silos, be they .gov, .edu, whatever. The main thing is about the way in which you do it, and how you can include as many bees as possible in your travels (don't swat). You asked for ideas about people in private or public orgs, which i would never put in print, as they are the 5% that the other 95% follow. But the two agencies which need to be included now are the National Library, and aarnet. The nla because if we are talking about .gov.au we need some good <a href="http://pandora.nla.gov.au/about.html" rel="nofollow">records of you travels kept</a>, so we can share the learning, and they're the agency who can help in structuring (what the BBC call) a creativearchive. Aarnet, because they can help us systemize the capture, recording and streaming, etc, of your travels, and new (cheap) communications. Your commercial team members have their employers to consider, and can't give away their strategies for <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=22941" rel="nofollow">groundchanging implementations. E.g</a>. Even Cisco, who have been kind enough to loan you their VC tool, shouldn't be given preference in defining a(n opensource) spec for an open <a href="http://www.opencastproject.org/project/matterhorn" rel="nofollow">interface to do this kind of stuff</a>. It would be nice to include the Australian <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_research_and_education_network" rel="nofollow">NREN</a> backwater in this (kind of) initiative. Including the ABC multimedia guys might be a good idea as well. It's about network convergence. The last group; the creative interface designers, the tool makers, of which Australia has plenty, will need to coordinate their activities with the old professions (above). So a competition would bring them to the surface, and help every silo. But you'll need t be spec(ific) about what support (design) your secretariat will need. Of course I'm taking for granted your secretariat members have 5 years (/each, /min) of online moderating experience. Regardless, they've done well. Hi Guys,

I won’t bother to make the usual criticisms. Youse dun good. I would think that sometime next week, after the submissions are in & the public sphere day is over, you might be able to draw breath and see how you’ve compressed three years into one month, and drawn some pollen filled bees to this hive.

Just wish you’d left the projects comment press open, so we could get into the pepetual beta mode. Maybe do another cut? It usually takes about three reiterations (one/month) to get a community into the groove.

Please just keep in mind that what you have in mind to do is good; consulting with silos, be they .gov, .edu, whatever. The main thing is about the way in which you do it, and how you can include as many bees as possible in your travels (don’t swat).

You asked for ideas about people in private or public orgs, which i would never put in print, as they are the 5% that the other 95% follow. But the two agencies which need to be included now are the National Library, and aarnet. The nla because if we are talking about .gov.au we need some good records of you travels kept, so we can share the learning, and they’re the agency who can help in structuring (what the BBC call) a creativearchive.

Aarnet, because they can help us systemize the capture, recording and streaming, etc, of your travels, and new (cheap) communications. Your commercial team members have their employers to consider, and can’t give away their strategies for groundchanging implementations. E.g. Even Cisco, who have been kind enough to loan you their VC tool, shouldn’t be given preference in defining a(n opensource) spec for an open interface to do this kind of stuff. It would be nice to include the Australian NREN backwater in this (kind of) initiative. Including the ABC multimedia guys might be a good idea as well. It’s about network convergence.

The last group; the creative interface designers, the tool makers, of which Australia has plenty, will need to coordinate their activities with the old professions (above). So a competition would bring them to the surface, and help every silo. But you’ll need t be spec(ific) about what support (design) your secretariat will need. Of course I’m taking for granted your secretariat members have 5 years (/each, /min) of online moderating experience. Regardless, they’ve done well.

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By: Renato Iannella http://gov2.net.au/blog/2009/08/18/posting-proposed-projects-for-public-pontification/comment-page-1/#comment-907 Renato Iannella Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:09:45 +0000 http://gov2.net.au/?p=586#comment-907 I agree with Silvia's comments....the list of Project Proposals looks bland and uninteresting.....not quite what "Gov 2.0" is supposed to be about! Gov 2.0 should be about better citizen/govt interactions. We should have projects that build demonstrators of how to achieve this....not just more reports...Web 2.0 did not arrive that way... How can we better analyse public Blogs to help feedback to govt agencies? How can we better publish govt information with clear permissions and reuse policies? How can we provide single Profile login (not just signin) to all govt agencies? ... I agree with Silvia’s comments….the list of Project Proposals looks bland and uninteresting…..not quite what “Gov 2.0″ is supposed to be about!

Gov 2.0 should be about better citizen/govt interactions. We should have projects that build demonstrators of how to achieve this….not just more reports…Web 2.0 did not arrive that way…

How can we better analyse public Blogs to help feedback to govt agencies?
How can we better publish govt information with clear permissions and reuse policies?
How can we provide single Profile login (not just signin) to all govt agencies?

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By: Silvia Pfeiffer http://gov2.net.au/blog/2009/08/18/posting-proposed-projects-for-public-pontification/comment-page-1/#comment-880 Silvia Pfeiffer Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:33:03 +0000 http://gov2.net.au/?p=586#comment-880 Actually, looking back over the proposed projects, they all seem internally focused. Where are the projects that will be visible to the community / citizens and make a difference to their lives? I think we need to add projects that are not driven by an agency but by external groups wanting something to happen and in a need to work with one or more agencies to make it happen. I voiced a video-centric idea over in another blog post http://gov2.net.au/blog/2009/08/13/hack-mash-and-innovate-contests-coming-soon/comment-page-1/#comment-869 , but I am sure there are all kinds of other ideas waiting to happen. Maybe a tweetmp for government - a site that allows to easily find out about twitter/identi.ca access to any government agency with twitter archives to search. Or a blog aggregator for all government agencies that blog. I would like to see some real value for citizens come out of the gov2.0 TF. Actually, looking back over the proposed projects, they all seem internally focused. Where are the projects that will be visible to the community / citizens and make a difference to their lives? I think we need to add projects that are not driven by an agency but by external groups wanting something to happen and in a need to work with one or more agencies to make it happen.

I voiced a video-centric idea over in another blog post http://gov2.net.au/blog/2009/08/13/hack-mash-and-innovate-contests-coming-soon/comment-page-1/#comment-869 , but I am sure there are all kinds of other ideas waiting to happen.

Maybe a tweetmp for government – a site that allows to easily find out about twitter/identi.ca access to any government agency with twitter archives to search. Or a blog aggregator for all government agencies that blog.

I would like to see some real value for citizens come out of the gov2.0 TF.

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By: Marghanita da Cruz http://gov2.net.au/blog/2009/08/18/posting-proposed-projects-for-public-pontification/comment-page-1/#comment-835 Marghanita da Cruz Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:42:56 +0000 http://gov2.net.au/?p=586#comment-835 See a case study on Community Consultation, on the maintenance/upgrade of a busy local shopping precinct. The upgrade, affects businesses and residents. It involves utilities such as electricity, water, telecommunications as well as the private provider of bus shelters/advertising, state transit authority (STA) bus stop and RTA (as there are major roads) through the area. <a href="http://www.ramin.com.au/annandale/2010works-annandale-shops-johnstonst.shtml" rel="nofollow">ramin.com.au/annandale/2010works-annandale-shops-johnstonst.shtml</a> ramin.com.au/annandale/2010works-annandale-shops-johnstonst.shtml</a> There are links to the write up of two other community consultations here: <a href="http://www.ramin.com.au/annandale/academic.shtml" rel="nofollow">ramin.com.au/annandale/academic.shtml</a> Marghanita da Cruz Ramin Communications See a case study on Community Consultation, on the maintenance/upgrade of a busy local shopping precinct. The upgrade, affects businesses and residents. It involves utilities such as electricity, water, telecommunications as well as the private provider of bus shelters/advertising, state transit authority (STA) bus stop and RTA (as there are major roads) through the area.

ramin.com.au/annandale/2010works-annandale-shops-johnstonst.shtml ramin.com.au/annandale/2010works-annandale-shops-johnstonst.shtml

There are links to the write up of two other community consultations here:
ramin.com.au/annandale/academic.shtml

Marghanita da Cruz
Ramin Communications

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By: Henare Degan http://gov2.net.au/blog/2009/08/18/posting-proposed-projects-for-public-pontification/comment-page-1/#comment-791 Henare Degan Wed, 19 Aug 2009 03:56:11 +0000 http://gov2.net.au/?p=586#comment-791 Thanks Taskforce Secretariat, I see you can contribute online too, excellent. Cheers, Henare Thanks Taskforce Secretariat, I see you can contribute online too, excellent.

Cheers,

Henare

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By: Taskforce Secretariat http://gov2.net.au/blog/2009/08/18/posting-proposed-projects-for-public-pontification/comment-page-1/#comment-789 Taskforce Secretariat Wed, 19 Aug 2009 03:25:12 +0000 http://gov2.net.au/?p=586#comment-789 Hi Henare, The question and answer session will be held in Canberra on Friday August 21 from 1.00 PM till 2.30 PM. More information can be found at: http://www.katelundy.com.au/2009/08/18/gov-2-0-briefing-paper-handover-and-qa-event/ Regards, Taskforce Secretariat Hi Henare,

The question and answer session will be held in Canberra on Friday August 21 from 1.00 PM till 2.30 PM. More information can be found at:

http://www.katelundy.com.au/2009/08/18/gov-2-0-briefing-paper-handover-and-qa-event/

Regards,

Taskforce Secretariat

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By: Henare Degan http://gov2.net.au/blog/2009/08/18/posting-proposed-projects-for-public-pontification/comment-page-1/#comment-747 Henare Degan Tue, 18 Aug 2009 04:13:25 +0000 http://gov2.net.au/?p=586#comment-747 What's the Q & A session with the community on Friday? I don't see any details in <a href="http://www.google.com/calendar/hosted/gov2.net.au/embed?src=gov2.net.au_ave2dcr02r153rujcpjadu88no%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=Australia/Sydney" rel="nofollow">the calendar</a> and it's only a few days away. Thanks, Henare What’s the Q & A session with the community on Friday? I don’t see any details in the calendar and it’s only a few days away.

Thanks,

Henare

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